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Creationism, Myth and Catastrophism SECOND THREAD LINK
www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13
-1. www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502
-1.B) JP_Gen 15:12 & 37:9 [sun plausibly =] "Saturn" [moon =] "Crescent"
-1.G,I,COM) *LK_Mike Fischer's rapid continental drift
-1.F) *LK_Baumgardner's Noah's Flood
-1.COM) LK_plan to compare catastrophist models.
-1.S) LK_strata.
-1.F) *LK_Floods to strata.
-1.S) *JP_Berthault on Stratification
-1.C) JP_Tas Walker's typical Biblical Geological Model
-1.C) JP_JP' model: Baumgartner on tidal-waves, but caused by Earth orbiting Saturn, & linear Saturn system at mid-point of the flood (Gen 8:2-4) until ~700 BCE
-1.B) LK_"Great Deep" = sky
-1.B) --<BB_= ocean>
-1.B) JP_bible resources
-1.B) LK_"Torah Historicity"
-1.B) LK_shamash links
-1.B) JP_Cre'sa "very good" Gen 1:31 & no death at Gen 3:19 = no cataclysmic events before Genesis 7
-1.B) BB_void = preliminary condition for creation
-1.D,B) JP_6200 years since creation, but pre-Flood day and year length unknown
-1.B) JP_All welcome to comment on hyperlinks
-1.B,ST) LK_maybe Earth = apparition in the sky & "deep" = sky & "face" = Saturn configuration
-2. www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502&start=15
-2.D,B) LK_"Torah Historicity" Chronology at qdl.scs-inc.us/?top=6883
-2.D,B) JP_CC's chronology messes up Christ's genealogy
-2.B) BB_second verse of Genesis led > event which led > utter chaos
-2.B) LK_"God" ~= Creator, "Earth" ~= our planet, "created" ~= from nothing
-2.B) CC_Jesus' genealogy < 2nd Temple < King Josiah < 1st Temple maybe not verbatim
-2.JM) M_Moses' model: [strata] before ice ages, Noah's flood after
-2.JM) LK_Moses' catastrophist model at [ futureschool.boards.net/post/30/thread
-2.JM) M_Moses' model [not] < Thornhill
-2.J,COM) JP_Earth, Venus and Mars were in polar axial alignment with Saturn's poles
-2.J,COM) --<LK_??? Then how could Earth have orbited Saturn?>
-2.S,E) JP_electrical discharge machining is missing piece of creationis[m]
-2.S,E) JP_Mount St Helens strata, Electrical discharge machining, separate events of deposition
-2.S,E) JP_Berthault's & Andrew Hall's ionic winds & Fossilisation = [short times]
-2.P) BB_link to fossilized wire
-2.J,COM) JP_Saturnian Configuration is plausible
-3. www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502&start=15
-3.B) JP_JEDPR analysis debunked
-3.B) LK_CC's model < archeological findings
-3.B) CC_Saturn theory conflicts with bible, but bible has catastrophist thread, evidence meteoric airburst over Dead Sea >> Sodom & Gomorrah
-3.B) CC_bible's contradictions < redactors or divine intervention
-3.P) *CC_dinosaurs [couldn’t live now]; atmosphere was a lot thicker? KT impact caused dramatic reduction in atmospheric buoyancy; affected vulcanism, flood basalts
-3.B) JP_list of Hebrew words for all planets to Saturn
-3.B) JP_Jesus criticized not second temple but Sadducees
-3.B) JP_no explicit Saturnian imagery in bible, but many places deductable
-3.B) JP_Josephus wrote re Christ
-3.B) JP_editorial comments in Torah = glosses
-3.R) YD_new religions formed worldwide 600 or 700 BC, no new Gods, see Irving Wolfe
-3.B) CC_Deuteronomic History is probable fact
-3.B) JP_maybe people could live to 900 before the flood as the world was different, maybe with a proto-Saturn 'mist' and plasmaspheric warming, Shang Dynasty reported longevity
-3.B) JP_six days in Genesis
-3.B) BB_God made two great lights. Gen 1:16 vs. Psalms
-4. www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502&start=45
-4.B) JP_author of Psalm 136 misunderstood Genesis 1:14-16
-4.B) JP_"two great lights" of Genesis hints at a different sky in the past
-4.B) BB_Gen 1:16 and Psalm 136:7-9 are two different types of literature, a historical account and a hymn, where planets and stars receive little emphasis
-4.B) JP_there are no definite articles in the Hebrew of Ps 136:7: "You made great lights..."
-4.B) JP_that passage is of critical importance to rebut creationists re Saturn theory
-4.E) LK_CC/EDM
-4.I) *LK_Charles explained craters formed by impacts at
www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=884&hilit=charleschandler+edm&start=135
-5. www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502&start=60
-5.B) BB_circumstantial evidence in Gen 1-11 for extraordinarily different conditions on earth: gigantism, long lifespans, mass extincion; appearance of rainbows; geographical barriers; loss of original language
-5.A) LK_QUESTIONS: archeological evidence; Hebrew words for terms relevant to catastrophism
-5.M) NC_The Many Faces of Venus by Ev Cochrane: www.maverickscience.com/the-many-faces-of-venus/
-5.B) JP_8674 words in the entire Hebrew Scriptures [minus] 2,415 proper names = 6,259 words
-5.J,COM) JP_JP's catastrophist model
-5.S,P,D) JP_*see re Mt. St. Helens creation.com/lessons-from-mount-st-helens re sedimentary deposition;
Canyons; Grooves cut in bedrock; Coal formation; polystrate tree fossils; Radioisotope dating
-5.A,M,D) *YD_King List some 2400 years ago is oldest historical document; Sumerian sources 2000 BC
-5.B,M) *YD_close agreement on the lifespans between Sumerian texts, the Bible and King List
-5.M) YD_Hindu and Chinese said 9 patriarchs before the flood;
-5.B) YD_read Bishop Ussher's Annals of the World
-5.B,I) NC_"barad" in Worlds in Collision on p 55 as meteorites or hot rocks
-5.COM) NC_need comparative analysis
-5.B) BB_terms for all celestial bodies in Deuteronomy 4:19
-5.B) JP_Velikovsky has copious footnotes on various Hebrew words from p.207 ff Worlds in Collision)
-6. www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502&start=75
-6.B,I) BB_It was fiery hail _There is a verse which uses "evan" /stones and "barad"/hail as parallel terms for the same event, in which rocks fell from heaven Ex 9
-6.B) PM_bible < Sumerian myths
-6.G) PM_rapid continental drift < centrifugal force, mountains < weak rock, no subduction
-6.PM) PM_PM's model: Earth is much younger than 6,000 years; [no] rapid continental drift; Bolides could not [hit] planet(s); “craters” < planetary lightning; super continent broke < centrifugal force; local history = bible
-6.PM) PM_PM's model: meant to say earth could be older, but present terrain Could be 2-3 thousand years old; the continents broke up to where they are now in a day or so; people were scattered with the land masses; oldest book drew upon Sumerian myths
-6.E) BB_petroglyphs around the world match plasma formations in the lab; pre-literate people's myths were replete with references to electricity, thunderbolts, and catastrophic events
-6.A) BB_Cyrus Cylinder
-6.X) BB_Important to physically test the historical ideas in catastrophism with field work and SEM testing
-6.B) BB_events Old Testament not in cultural vacuum
-6.B) BB_law code of Hammurabi compare with law code of Moses
-6.A) BB_caste societies
-6.B) WM_old testament vs new testament
-7. www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502&start=90
-7.B) LK_interesting Hebrew words
-7.B) LK_Great Deep
-7.B) JP_analysis of Hebrew words associated with catastrophism; Benner's Ancient Hebrew Lexicon
-7.B) JP_some Hebrew words relevant to catastrophism
-7.M) NC_everything in the sky was a star and a god
-7.B) LK_"Atenism & Early Judaism" at qdl.scs-inc.us/2ndParty/Pages/8232.html
-7.B) JP_Adonai for YHWH
-7.B) *<LK--Adonai = Aten? = Venus comet enclosure>
-7.B) CC_similarities in Atenism & Early Judaism
-7.B) CC_Abraham came before both Moses & Akhenaten
-7.M) LK_TB team ~agree w Ages in Chaos
-7.M) CC_Aten = Athena
-8. www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502&start=105
-8.B) BB_Deep = ocean, ~sky
-8.B) BB_sabbath = rest, = 7?
-8.B) JP_link together Saturn, Sabbath & Babylon
-8.A) BB_Ugarit Schaffer 13th century BC final destruction layers
-8.B) BB_Ark was not worshiped
-8.B) <LK--God dwelled between the angels on the Ark = electricity - pacificcog.org/studypapers/HeWhoDwellsBetweenTheCherubim.pdf - In the Old Testament both the LORD of Hosts and the God of Israel are identified with the phrase “dwells between the cherubim”. This phrase is used 7 different times in the Old Testament (1 Samuel 4:4; 2 Samuel 6:2; 2 Kings 19:15; 1 Chronicles 13:6; Psalms 80:1; Psalms 99:1; Isaiah 37:16).>
-8.B) <LK--Does bible say angels or cherubim had wings? Wings = comet?>
-8.B) <LK--What are Hebrew terms relating to angels etc?>
-8.B) JP_SH-B-T rest/cease, SH-B-' oath/seven
-8.B) JP_no days prior to 'day one'
-8.B) *CC_Atum = formless creator god > Aten = Adon
-8.B) *CC_shab'aten > Shabbat if shab'aten was illegal
-9. www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502&start=120
-9.M) JP_Velik shows Amenhotep III at time of Ahab
-9.ST) JP_Cardona said Thornhill said Earth orbited Saturn
-9.B) LK_CRITICAL RE-APPRAISAL OF THE BOOK OF GENESIS
-9.B) CC_pharaoh = God
-9.B) JP_Hebrew < Akkadian cuneiform
-9.D,A) YD_Middle Eastern dating & dark ages
-9.D,A) LK_C14 dating supports conventional chronology
-9.D,P) NC_C14 dating adjustments are biased, see The Extinction of the Mammoth
-9.D,P) JP_C14 dating errors
-9.B) JP_Hebrew words suggestive of catastrophism www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502&start=120#p129598
-9.G) Y_water canopy around planets
-9.G,E) JP_canopy = plasmasphere, which were involved in cataclysms
-10. www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17502&start=135
-10.M) *LK_Cochrane's articles vs revised chronologies
-10.M) LK_Questions re Atenism
-10.D,B) *CC_Aten ~= winged sun disk, which originated ca 2600BC (p531 oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/SHONKWILERDISSERTATION.pdf
-10.E) JP_4,000,000+ petroglyphs worldwide detailing plasma phenomena
-10.D,P) Y_Reasons to doubt C14 dating
-10.B) LK_Comments on JP’s shared Hebrew terms
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1. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13
1.B) _Catastrophism in the Bible
1.X) _Thread Summary: . docs.google.com/document/d/1N6DSuZNzgPVRcVhct1_voeGVYgMOzkUcflWg1J2ddIM/edit
1.X) _MAIN TOPICS OF THIS THREAD
1.CAT) DEFINE CATASTROPHISM
1.B,M) THE BIBLE AND ANCIENT MYTHS (Links)
1.E) ELECTRICAL FORCES IN CATASTROPHISM (Links)
1.COM) OTHER IMPORTANT MODELS (Links)
1.B) _Bible Catastrophism
1.F) _CC, LK on the Flood
1.M) _W on Atlanteans
1.CAT) _MAJOR FINDINGS IN CATASTROPHISM
2. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=15
2.G) _MF Himalayas . ibb.co/CHNvCXv
2.I) _SD Impact . ibb.co/khdwZ8F
2.B,I) _CC/Sodom and Gamorrah Impact
2.B) _Hebrew Origin
2.D,A) _AMARNA DATING
2.CAT) "Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm"
2.B) _Hebrew Origin
3. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=30
3.D,A) _Amarna Dating
3.ST) _How Earth got the Moon
3.CAT) _CATASTROPHISM SEARCHES
3.M) _Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible
3.B) _Bible Deities
3.ST) _Moon Capture
3.D,ST) _Saturn System Breakup 3300BC
3.S) _CC,MF.../MOON FORMATION ETC
3.I) _Impacts vs EDM
3.I) _IMPACT CRATERS
3.B) _Bible two great lights
4. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=45
4.ST) _Saturn DelugeCAT
4.G) _Mercury atmosphere
4.I) _Barry Setterfield on Craters
4.I) _Barry supports Charles' ideas quite a bit
4.D,A) _Amarna dating links
4.X) _JP's college
4.B,E) _Ark of the Covenant electricity
5. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=60
5.B) _"Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark"
5.B) _Origins of Noah’s Ark link
5.B) _ARK OF THE COVENANT at Catastrophism.com
5.B,E) _Ark and Corona search results
5.B,E) _Ark Leyden Jar
5.B) _Priests Rulers
5.M) _RULING CLASS ORIGIN
5.B,E) ANCIENT ELECTRIFICATION
5.B) _David's Sons as Officials
5.B) _Israelites' Failures
6. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=75
6.B) _Limitations on kings in Judea
6.C,CAT) _Creationist Articles on catastrophism Links
6.B,ST) _Bible & Saturn Theory Questions
6.B,ST) _Creation vs. re-creation post-Deluge
6.B) _PASSOVER
6.B,M) _Moses & Moon had horns
6.M,R) _QEREN, QARAN, KORAN
6.M,R) _Circle, cross and crescent
6.ST) _Saturn Polar Configuration
6.COM) _COMPARING MODELS
6.B) *_Hangeth the earth upon nothing
6.A,ST) _Gobekli Tepe constellations vs Saturn Theory
7. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=90
7.CAT) _CATASTROPHIST MODELS
7.A) _Gobleki Tepe
7.F,M) _Gilgamesh flood
7.E) _Cataclysmic EDM
7.D,P) _New Zealand ancient creatures; _Dates before about 2,300 BC are crap
7.B) _Hebrew Bible Words
7.B,M) _Moses Horns
8. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=105
8.E) _Ocean Basins from EDM & Electric Evolution
8.S,G) _Orbit to Ice Age/s
8.S) _Geological Column
8.BIO) _Genome Alteration
8.S,P) _Laminated Deposition; Fossil Formation; Pre-deluge Longevity
8.E,S) _EDM vs Water Erosion/Deposition
8.S,G) _Primal Forces of Geology
8.BIO) _Turned evolution back thousands of years
9. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=120
9.?) _Ebner Effect Link
9.I,E) _Connect Setterfield, Ransom, Thornill and Hall together
9.E,I) _EDM CRATERS vs. *BOLIDE IMPACT THERMONUCLEAR EXPLOSION CRATERS
9.E) Fusion byproducts decay fast
9.E) _ANDY HALL'S et al EDM THEORY
9.S) _Formation of 'flatirons'
9.S) _Flatirons Cross Sections
10. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=135
10.S) _Flatirons
10.E) _Atlantic EDM
10.S,E) _Flatirons-like Images; Ionic Winds
10.S) _Flatirons from Great Flood Regression
10.S,E) _Analysis of Flatirons Water Drainage
10.S,E,B) _Strata Curvature; Shockwave Images; Bible, Mountains Skipped
10.S) _Ionic Wind Problems
10.G) *_SOME PROOF OF CONTINENTAL DRIFT
10.A,CIV) _Ancient GLOBAL Civilization
10.A,CIV) _Post-deluge Levant Civilization
10.ST) _Stellar nova event
11. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=150
11.ST) _Stellar nova event
11.CC) _CC: K class Stars Nova
11.E) _Cosmic Magnetic fields & Electric Currents
11.E) _Heliosheath Magnetic field
11.CC) _Problems with the Anode Sun model
11.CC) *_CATHODE SUN?
12. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=165
12.CC) *_Relative cathode planets
12.CC) *_Cathode Sun
12.X,CAT) _FUTURESCHOOL Geology RESOURCES; VENUS CATASTROPHISM Articles
12.ST) _Myths say Saturn Nova caused Flood
12.ST) _CARDONA'S HYPOTHESES in his book, Metamorphic Star;
12.D,ST) *_Cardona's dating is wrong
12.ST) _CARDONA'S BOOKS & Contents
12.ST) _Cardona's Material condensed
12.ST) _COMMENTS ON CARDONA'S MODEL: FLARE-UP AT HELIOSPHERE, BREAKUP AT ASTEROID BELT? FLOOD BEFORE CONFLAGRATION AND ICE AGE
12.M) _Creation myths, excepting the Biblical one, are post-Deluge
12.X) *_UNIVERSE NOT EXPANDING
12.COM) _COMPARING CATASTROPHIST MODELS
12.X) _Non-Compton Non-Expanding Universe
12.X) *_John Kierein Compton Effect Redshift
12.X) _Non-Compton Effect
13. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=180
13.CAT) _MAIN ISSUES FOR DISCUSSION?
13.S) *_STRATA FORMATION
13.S) _7. and 7a. geologic column, is false
13.F) _Great Flood Critique
13.S) *_Baumgartner's megasequences
13.S) *_GLOBAL ROCK STRATA MEGASEQUENCES
13.S,I) *_Maps of sediment thickness & Major basins
13.ST) _CARDONA'S MODEL
13.D,A,P) _C14 dating
13.D,P) *_C14 DATING & RADIOACTIVE FOSSILS
13.D,CAT) _ORIGIN OF EARTH RADIOACTIVITY; RADIOACTIVE FOSSILS & C14 DATING
13.CAT) *_FROM WALTER BROWN'S MODEL: The Origin of Earth’s Radioactivity
13.CAT,E) *_MORE DETAILS ON BROWN'S MODEL (Electrical Forces Produced Radioactivity, which entered some fossils)
13.CAT,E) _ELECTRICAL FORCES PRODUCED CONTINENTAL RADIOACTIVITY
13.E,G) ELECTRICAL FORCES DOMINATE GEOLOGY
13.CAT) CATASTROPHISM PARTIAL SUMMARY
14. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=195
14.X) *_REDSHIFT COMPTON EFFECT
14.CAT) _MAIN ISSUES FOR DISCUSSION SO FAR
14.CAT,E) _POST-FLOOD CATACLYSMS; IONIC WINDS
14.ST) _TWO SATURN FLAREUPS; Ancient Cataclysms
14.D,S) _K-T Boundary Misplacement
14.E,G) _Csuzdi says Electrical Repulsion causes continental drift
14.COM) _Csuzdi vs Chandler & Fischer
14.I) _Biggest impact
14.A) _ANCIENT MAPS FRAUD?
15. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=210
15.X) _CREATIONIST BIAS
15.ST,S) _SATURN FLARE-UPS & COAL FORMATION
15.CAT) _TARS BEFORE THE FLOOD; TAR PITS
15.CAT) _TAR PIT DECAY EXPERIMENT
15.S,I) _COAL & TAR FORMATION WORKSHOP; CHICAGO FIRE
15.I) _MORE CHICAGO FIRE
15.S,CAT) _COAL FORMATION WORKSHOP
15.S,CAT) *_COAL ANALYSES ETC
16. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=225
16.CAT) _EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE; HYDROCARBONS FROM COMETS
16.G,I,CAT) _Glacial ESKERS FROM COMETS? HYDROCARBONS IN METEORITES
16.G,CAT) _ESKERS
16.G,F,CAT) _GLACIAL OR CATACLYSMIC DEPOSITS?
16.G,CAT) _GLACIAL LANDFORMS
16.F,G,CAT) *_FLOODED ICE SHEET
16.G,CAT) RE ESKERS, SUBGLACIAL MELTWATER
16.C) _Creation.com censoring
16.C) _CREATIONIST BIAS
16.G,CAT) _ORIGIN OF LOESS; COSMIC DUST; Glacial DRIFT; MUCK
16.P,CAT) *_COSMIC METALS ON EARTH
16.P) _FOSSIL CONCRETIONS
16.CAT) _COMETARY DEBRIS
16.CAT) _COSMIC DEBRIS FALLS ON EARTH; *MAJOR FINDING
17. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=240
17.D,ST) _Saturn Flare-ups during Great Flood and After
17.CAT) _THREAD SUMMARY/INDEX
17.I,F,G) *_ASTEROID IMPACT DURING GREAT FLOOD; "STREWN FIELD"; ERRATICS, ERRATIC BOULDERS
17.G,CAT) _MAPS OF ERRATICS AGAIN
17.G,CAT) _ERRATIC MEGABLOCK MYSTERY SOLVED; ERRATIC BOULDERS
17.G,CAT) _ALBERTA ERRATICS TRAIN FLOW
17.CAT,ST) _THREAD INDEX; COMETARY DEBRIS / SATURN FLARE-UPS PARTIAL SUMMARY
17.ST) _PRIMORDIAL STAR
17.I) _SOME NOTES ON IMPACTS; *CRATONIC BASINS FROM IMPACTS DURING GREAT FLOOD; *RAIN DURING GREAT FLOOD; COMETARY DEBRIS DURING YOUNGER DRYAS EVENT AFTER GREAT FLOOD
17.G,CAT) *_DENSER ATMOSPHERE BEFORE GREAT FLOOD
17.G,ST) _VENUS' SURFACE
17.G,ST) _VENUS IMAGES/MAPS; *GRAVITY & MEGAFAUNA/MEGAFLORA
17.G,CAT) *_THICKER ATMOSPHERE BEFORE THE GREAT FLOOD
17.D,G,CAT) _MY FORMER SUMMARY OF EARTH HISTORY; *EARTH'S FORMER WETTER, LARGER, THICKER ATMOSPHERE
17.ST) *_LESS DISEASE BEFORE THE CATACLYSMS
18. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=255
18.D,CAT) _THREAD INDEX; EARTH'S CATACLYSMIC HISTORY
18.D,ST) _MORE THINKING ON EARTH'S CATACLYSMIC HISTORY: AGE OF DARKNESS; SATURN MYTHS; SATURN SYSTEM ORIGIN; SATURN FLARE-UPS
18.D) _Critique of my CATACLYSMIC HISTORY
18.B,G,CAT) _Bible FALLIBILITY; STARLIGHT Light Speed; SUPERCONTINENT Soft Landing
18.B) _Gap Theory
18.B) _Critique of Gap Theory
18.B) _Genesis Catastrophism
18.F,I) _SHOCK DYNAMICS AFTER THE FLOOD (MFishcer's Model); My Comments: *SD in late stage of Flood
18.D,ST) _MY TENTATIVE DATING OF CHAPTER TITLES IN CARDONA'S BOOKS; CARDONA'S MISDATING; PHASES OF CATACLYSMS
18.D,ST) _BEFORE AND AFTER GENESIS CREATION: (from NEWBORN STAR) ORDER OUT OF CHAOS; THE MAYIM; VIOLENT RE-CREATIONS; THE CIRCUMSTELLAR DISK; *THE SEVEND, DAYS; THE DAY OF REST; THE FIRMAMENT
18.B) _Genesis Cataclysms
19. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=270
19.X) _Psychoanalytical model of history
19.CIV) _RELIGION search at Catastrophism.com
19.D,CAT) _EARTH HISTORY: PREHISTORY; GREAT FLOOD; POST-FLOOD; YOUNGER DRYAS FLARFE-UP; RETURN OF CIVILIZATION
19.G,CAT) *_ICE AGE
19.X) _False objectivity
19.D,CAT) _Timeline visuals
19.D,CAT) _VISUALS HELP
19.X) _TB Forum software problem for images
19.D,CAT) _My visuals
19.ST) _IMAGES; *SATURN'S RINGS & ITS HOUSE
19.D,X) _Flawed psychoanalytical approach to history
19.B) _Biblical planet-worship
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20.M) _Idols in the ancient world
20.M) _Most ancient peoples worshipped the planets
20.M) *_MYTHS WERE POST-FLOOD (and mostly before the Younger Dryas Flare-up)
20.X) _Scientific pretensions of psychoanalysis
20.X,ST) _Scientific Method; *IRON-60 (in solar system space) FROM SATURN NOVA?
20.E,ST) _ELECTRIC NOVA (re the ancient Saturn System)
20.ST) _PINNING DOWN THE SATURN THEORY (to actual ancient cataclysmic events, answering critiques)
20.ST) _SATURN NOVA EJECTA: IRON-60, IRIDIUM?, MICROSPHERULES?, CLAY?
20.CAT) _THREAD INDEX
20.ST) _SATURN NOVA EJECTA (iridium etc) & VENUS' HEAT
20.ST) _CARDONA ON YOUNGER DRYAS (for ideas about Saturn Nova Ejecta)
20.ST) _CARDONA, YOUNGER DRYAS, CONDENSED
20.I,ST) *_IMPACTS DURING THE GREAT FLOOD; False Glaciation Evidence; YOUNGER DRYAS CONFLAGRATION (vitrified structures)
20.A,CAT) _TIAHUANACO AFTER THE FLOOD, BEFORE LAST SATURN FLARE; PRESENT MOON REPLACED FORMER MOON
20.A,CAT,CIV) _MORE ON TIAHUANACO DISASTER; MASS GRAVES; EGYPTIAN CONNECTION
21. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=300
21.ST) _SATURN'S LAST FLARE-UP;
21.CIV) *COPPER FOR BRONZE AGE AFTER GREAT FLOOD;
21.D,CAT) *GLOBAL COOLING ABOUT 2300 BC; CAUSE OF THE GLOBAL COOLING; DUST RING; SUPERCOOLING
21.G,CAT) _REVIEWING PREVIOUS PAGE OF THIS THREAD; SATURN FLARE-UP & ARCTIC CATASTROPHE; MAP OF PERMAFROST; SATURN FLARE CAUSE OF SUDDEN ARCTIC FREEZING ETC
21.X) _Psychoanalytic History
21.F,CAT,ST) _SUMMARY OF RECENT FINDINGS (incomplete); TWO MOONS CAUSED TWO FLOODS?; TWO, THREE, OR FOUR SATURN FLARES CAUSED "RECENT" CATACLYSMS?; FLOOD #2 AND ICE AGE
21.D,G,P,ST) *_FORMER ARCTIC FLORA/PLANTS; COMPARE WITH THIS SUSSEX ARTICLE; FORB PASTURES FOR LIVESTOCK ANIMALS; GOLDEN AGE BETWEEN FLOODS; ICE SHEET DURING GOLDEN AGE; SECOND FLOOD PLUS HEAT & COLD - END OF GOLDEN AGE
21.G,P,ST) _MORE ON ARCTIC PERMAFROST; YOUNGER DRYAS DUST STORMS? NORTH POLAR TORNADO?; ANCIENT ARCTIC BIOLOGY
21.X) _Don Patten Book
21.ST) _NORTH POLAR VORTEX
21.ST,G) _FROM CARDONA'S SATURN MODEL CONFERENCE PAPER; THE WHIRLING RAY FROM ABOVE; THE CHURNING OF THE OCEAN; Sussex PERMAFROST article; THE ONSLAUGHT OF ICE; EARTH'S SHIFTING AXIS
21.ST,G) *_CARDONA ON THE POLAR COLUMN (from God Star and Flare Star); SHU [[Polar Column]]; THE ONE-LEGGED GOD; THE FIERY AXIS; THE WHIRLING RAY FROM ABOVE; [[MATERIAL FLOW]]; THE ARCTIC DEPRESSION; THE RETRACTION; BACKLASH [CREATION]
21.ST) _RETURNING TO CARDONA'S HYPOTHESES
21.ST) _FLARE-UP HEAT WAVE TO FREEZING
21.ST,G) *_WAS THERE SUPERCOOLING OF THE ARCTIC? EVIDENCE OF FLASH FREEZING
22. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=315
22.CAT,ST) _ARCTIC FLASH FREEZE OR NOT? Were woolly mammoths quick-frozen in Siberia? TWO INSTANCES OF FLASH FREEZING FROM BROWN
22.ST) _SATURN HEAT & COLD BLASTS
22.ST) _MORE ON SATURN'S COLD BLAST; FLASH FREEZING; FLASH FREEZING NOT REQUIRED; *REMAINING EVIDENCE FOR FLASH FREEZING; HUMANS HUNTED MAMMOTHS? LIFE BELOW FREEZING (Reviving Frozen Organisms)
22.D,CAT) _TIME FOR A RECAP: EARTH HISTORY: 1. PREHISTORY ?-4,500 BP; 2. GREAT FLOOD 4,500 BP; 3. GOLDEN AGE 4,500-4,250 BP; 4. YOUNGER DRYAS EVENT 4,250 BP; 5. CIVILIZATION 4,250 - 0 BP
22.CAT,G) *_MOE MANDELKEHR'S CATASTROPHIST MODEL: CLIMATE CHANGE; METEOROID STREAM; GLACIATION; SEA LEVEL CHANGES; CRUSTAL MOVEMENTS; EARTHQUAKES; GEOMAGNETISM; RADIOCARBON DATING; MYTHS
22.D,CAT) _THREAD HIGHLIGHTS: MAJOR FINDINGS; EARTH HISTORY; CARDONA'S MODEL; PREHISTORY; FLOOD; GOLDEN AGE; MYTHS; SATURN FLARES; *YOUNGER DRYAS CATACLYSMS
22.G,CAT) _PS, COMMENT on ICE AGE
22.CIV,E,CAT,ST) _RECENT ARTICLES/VIDEOS: MEGALITHS & LIGHTNING; ANCIENT EGYPTIANS, SIRIUS, PLEIADES, GALACTIC FILAMENTS; SATURN NOVA SHOCKWAVES & NANODIAMONDS
22.ST) _MORE FROM CARDONA'S BOOKS: THE GOD SHU AS SATURN'S POLAR COLUMN; POLAR COLUMN REMNANTS ON EARTH; REMNANTS ON SATURN; SATURN HEATING REMNANT UNDER EARTH'S NORTH POLE; *PROOF OF SATURN'S POSSIBLE FORMER POLAR COLUMN
22.F,G,ST) _FLOOD OR GLACIER?: MOUNTAIN UPLIFT, STRIATIONS & ERRATICS; *FLOOD WINS; FOSSIL-FREE TILLITES/DEBRIS FROM SATURN?; WHICH FLOOD? NOAH'S OR YD?
22.G,CAT) _Oblate or Prolate Oceans
22.A,G,CAT) _Tiahuanaco Uplift
22.G,CAT) _TIAHUANACO ON PROLATE EARTH WITH FASTER SPIN?; ANDES MOUNTAINS UPLIFTED BEFORE OR AFTER TIAHUANACO WAS BUILT?; CONTINTENTAL DRIFT, OCEAN RESISTANCE, MOUNTAIN FORMATION; Andes Expedition
22.G,CAT) _Prolate Tides
23. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=330
23.G,CAT) _Prolate Tides, Water World
23.ST) _Mars between Earth & Moon
23.D,S) _Precambrian was way over Biblical timeline of 6,000 years ago
23.C) _Velikovsky not a Creationist
23.A,CIV,F,CAT,COM) _TIAHUANACO: UNDERWATER CITY IN LAKE TITICACA; TIAHUANACO & LAKE TITICACA; TIAHUANACO FLOOD; TIAHUANACO SUN GATE; HORBIGER THEORY; TIAHUANACO AGRICULTURE; SUMMARY
23.ST) _SATURN MYTH: From Myth to a Physical Model
23.D,M,ST) _MYTHIC CLUES TO CATASTROPHIST *CHRONOLOGY; THOTH BACK ISSUES: TALBOTT & CARDONA
23.ST) _TALBOTT ON SATURN MYTHS
23.D,ST,M) *_WORKING ON CHRONOLOGY VIA MYTHS: SEVEN SATURN MYTH THEMES; JUPITER AS SATURN REBORN; WARS OF THE GODS OR TITANS; 260-DAY YEAR; MARS CLOSE TO EARTH; MARS CLOSE TO VENUS; BEGINNING & END OF THE GOLDEN AGE; MARS' LOSS OF ATMOSPHERE AND OCEANS; MARS ECLIPSED SATURN; ORIGIN OF LANGUAGE; PERMAFROST AFTER BREAKUP; MARS & VENUS DURING BREAKUP & JUPITER'S ARRIVAL
23.ST) _Cardona's Literature
23.D,CAT) _NEW OUTLINE OF EARTH HISTORY: EARTH HISTORY SUMMARY (5 Ages); LINKS TO WORK IN PROGRESS; DETAILED SUMMARY
23.D,CAT,ST) _COMMENTS ON PREVIOUS POST REGARDING EARTH HISTORY SUMMARY: SATURN/JUPITER SYSTEM EVOLUTION
23.D,ST) _WHEN SATURN, MARS, JUPITER, VENUS & EARTH LEFT THE SATURN SYSTEM; ZEUS WAS MARS
23.ST) _SKY EVENTS DURING THE GOLDEN AGE: SATURN CONFIGURATION; CONFLAGRATION; JUPITER REPLACING SATURN
24. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=345
24.ST)_VENUS DIDN'T STEAL MARS' ATMOSPHERE?
24.ST) _Cosmogonic Egg
24.E,ST) _PLASMASPHERES
24.CAT) _THE ILIAD & THE END OF THE GOLDEN AGE?
24.E) _Plasmaspheres
24.CIV,ST) *_SOME CIVILIZATION CAME FROM THE NORTH; TALBOTT ON SATURN SYSTEM BREAKUP 1997
24.ST,M) _JUPITER, SUCCESSOR TO SATURN, IN MYTHS: LABYRINTH AND FORTRESS OF THE GODS; REJUVENATED SOVEREIGN; THE ILIAD online; SON OF ANU
24.ST,E) _SATURN FLARE, POLAR COLUMN, *PERATT'S PAPER
24.E,ST) *_PETROGLYPHS PROVE AN ANCIENT INTENSE AURORA EVENT: OUTBURSTS REMOVE SOME ATMOSPHERE; SOLAR WIND MAGNETIC PRESSURE; SOME DATA DEPICT INSTABILITY PATTERNS; *PICTOGRAPHS DATE TO 7,000 YEARS BP; SOUTH POLE DIRECTION; SIMULATION WITH DISTANCES; YOUNGER DRYAS, SATURN FLARE, MAGNETIC FIELD
24.D,E) _MORE ON PERATT'S PETROGLYPHS: LONG-LASTING ARTIFICIAL PLASMA TOROIDS; *PETROGLYPHS DATE TO AT LEAST 4,000 BP; DECADE-LONG; DAYTIME; 56-FOLD FILAMENTS & STONEHENGE
24.E,ST,COM) _PETROGLYPHS VS. SATURN THEORY: SOUTH SKY VS. NORTH
24.ST,E) *_SATURN THEORY MOTIFS FROM PETROGLYPHS; PERATT'S ANCIENT INTENSE AURORAS
24.D,CAT) _IPUWER PAPYRUS FROM 2ND INTERMEDIATE PERIOD OF EGYPT
24.M,E) _MYTHS, PETROGLYPHS, ENHANCED AURORA
24.B) _REVISED BIBLE CHRONOLOGY: A Brief Summary of the Evidence for a Gap in the Bible and Much Earlier Dates for Many of its Major Events
25. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=360
25.F,S) _2 previous posts; THE GREAT FLOOD; *NOAH’S FLOOD: THE KEY TO CORRECT INTERPRETATION OF EARTH HISTORY
25.CAT) _SOME MAJOR PARTS OF EGYPTIAN, BIBLICAL & CATASTROPHIST CHRONOLOGY: MY EARTH HISTORY SUMMARY; MY TIMELINE OF MAJOR EVENTS; CHARLES CHANDLER'S CHRONOLOGY + MY COMMENTS
25.D,F,CAT) _TRYING TO FIND THE DATE OF THE GREAT FLOOD: *BAUMGARDNER'S PAPER SHOWS THAT SEDIMENTARY ROCK WAS MOSTLY FLOOD-DEPOSITED;
*THE CONTINENTS ARE ABOUT 6,000 YEARS OLD?; THE CONTINENTS ARE UNDER 8,000 YEARS OLD; POST-FLOOD WOOD UNDER 38,000 YEARS OLD; *COAL WAS FLOATING VEGETATION DEPOSITED DURING THE FLOOD; COAL IS UNDER 35,000 YEARS OLD; SOME OIL IS UNDER 5,000 YEARS OLD; *OLDEST TREE IS 4,700 YEARS OLD; *THE BIBLE DATES THE FLOOD TO 4,500 OR 5,200 YEARS AGO; I RECKON A FEW THINGS re Chetwynd's Older Bible Events Dating & CC's Chronology
25.D,CAT,S) _TREE-RING DATING INACCURACY; GOBEKLI TEPE Labyrinth; UPDATE: DATING THE GREAT FLOOD BY ROCK STRATA
25.D,ST,S) _NORTH POLE TO THE SATURN SYSTEM?: ANCIENT MAPS ARE REAL?; Regarding DATING THE GREAT FLOOD BY ROCK STRATA
25.S,F) _[Great Flood] how the strata were laid down
25.D,B) _Septuagint, plus Josephus vs. Masoretic [Flood Dating]
25.CIV,B) _Sumerian cities, Genesis 10, single language, Velikovsky, confusion of languages
25.CAT,E) *_Velikovsky, neurological effects: *structures were overwhelmed by hurricanes and powerful electrical discharges; Tower of Babel; *people who lost their memory; earth underwent an electromagnetic disturbance
25.B,CIV,CAT) _[Bible] Cities and destruction, World Empires, beasts
25.F,S,B) _GREAT FLOOD & PRE-FLOOD STRATA: GREAT UNCONFORMITY; BIBLICAL CATACLYSMS
25.B,ST) _TOWER OF BABEL: Saturn configuration
25.B) _exegetical methodology [disagreement about tower = polar column, Saturn configuration, Samson pillars]
26. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=375
26.B,D) _TOWER OF BABEL & SAMSON; world is 6,000 to 10,000 years old; zircons
26.E) _polar column, glow mode
26.ST) _tower to the heavens, polar configuration implied; Mercury, confusion of languages; planetary aspect to angelology; bogus exegetical approaches
26.B,ST) _EXTERNAL EVIDENCE RE TOWER OF BABEL; *ANCIENTS WERE CONFUSED RE HEAVEN; SCIENCE VS FAITH; PLASMA COLUMN
26.B,D) _TOWER OF BABEL: *VELIKOVSKY SAID THE ANCIENTS WERE CONFUSED; CENTURIES BETWEEN CATACLYSMS 2 & 3
26.X) _Flawed Psychoanalysis of Ancient History
26.F) *_See Randall Carlson on Floods
26.B,M) _BIBLE STORIES VS ANCIENT MYTHS
26.CAT) *RANDALL CARLSON & THE YOUNGER DRYAS EVENT
26.ST,CAT) _CREATION EVENT POSSIBLY FORMED THE FORMER SUPERCONTINENT; NEW SCENARIO
26.B,M) _SOME BIBLE STORIES ARE SKY MYTHS: SAMSON MYTHS COMPARISON; SAMSON STORY IN THE SKY; EVIDENCE OF SAMSON ON EARTH?; ADAM & EVE IN THE SKY; EARTH'S TILT IN THE BIBLE; ABRAHAM IN THE SKY; DAVID & GOLIATH IN THE SKY
26.D) *_YOUNG EARTH OR YOUNG SUPERCONTINENT: DATING HELIUM IN ZIRCONS; DATING ARGON IN GRANITE; COAL, DIAMONDS, DINOSAUR BONES; MY SLIGHTLY REVISED TIMELINE; SEVERAL POSSIBLE MEANS OF SUPERCONTINENT COLONIZATION
26.B) _Bible Inerrancy (Genealogy Link)
27. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=390
27.C) _CREATIONISM COMMENT
27.B) _Bible Inerrancy
27.B,ST) _Gigantism; New Sun
27.B) *_WORD & SPIRIT OF GOD; GIGANTISM
27.CAT) _Dusty Space
27.D) _GIGANTISM
27.D) _CATACLYSMIC HISTORY: EARTH HISTORY: FIVE AGES
27.D,B) _BIBLICALLY DATING TWO FLOODS OR ONE?
27.D,B) *_MT is Correct; LXX is Incorrect
28. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=405
28.D,B)_BIBLICAL FLOOD DATES
28.B,S,G) _BOOK THAT REKINDLED CREATIONISM: ROCK FORMATIONS OUT OF SEQUENCE; MISPLACED HUMAN FOSSILS; PRE-FLOOD VAPOR CANOPY; *FLOOD-DEPOSITED STRATA; PRE-FLOOD CONDITIONS & LONGEVITY
28.COM,D) _JP's Creation, Flood & YD Dates 4000BC,2344BC,1890BC
28.COM,M) _COMPARATIVE FLOOD MYTHOLOGY: GREAT FLOOD LEGENDS
28.D,F) _3000 BC GREAT FLOOD
28.D,F) _JP's Flood Dating Sources
28.M,F) _Gilgamesh Flood
28.D,F) _GREAT FLOOD C. 3000 BC; CITIES SUBMERGED DURING YD FLOOD?
28.B) _JERICHO MYTH; OTHER BIBLE MYTHS; BIBLE MYTHS, INCLUDING JONAH etc
28.G,CAT) _SUBMARINE CANYONS AND FORMER SEA LEVELS <Creation.com
28.B) _Jericho not Myth
28.F,ST) _NECESSARY BIAS; ALASKAN ETC MUCK FROM YD FLOOD & SATURN SYSTEM BREAKUP
28.M) _The Sky
28.B) _Jericho not Myth
28.B) _Samson not Myth
29. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=420
29.B) _Samson Story Absurd if not Myth
29.X) _Bias Accusation
29.CAT,F,M) _Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson video links; Moses & Flood from Mars
29.ST) _PROTO-SATURN'S CIRCUMSTELLAR DISK: NEWBORN STAR; TOHU WA BOHU & ELOHIM WERE SUMERIAN GODS OF WATERS ETC
29.F) _Moses & Flood not from Mars
29.B) _Critique of Tohu wa Bohu as Gods
29.B,ST) _GENESIS TOHU WA BOHU & THE SATURN THEORY; Tohu wa Bohu <INTERPLANETARY DEBRIS
29.D,CAT) _SIFTING OUT THE BEST FROM GOODSON - *SATURN SYSTEM BREAKUP AT YOUNGER DRYAS
29.D,ST,F) _EARTH HISTORY: *GENESIS CREATION WAS AFTER THE GREAT FLOOD - NOAH'S FLOOD WAS LATER
29.ST) _SOME OF MY NOTES ON CARDONA'S LAST BOOK, NEWBORN STAR
29.ST) _NEWBORN STAR, 1st Part
29.CAT) _TIAHUANACO PROBLEM
29.*CAT) _JP: Geosynchronous Orbiting Object
30. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=435
30.CAT) _Nick: IV: Tiahuanaco built before mountains uplifted
30.COM) _Mo: Mountain uplift via Mars flyby
30.CAT) _TIAHUANACO PUZZLE CONTINUED
30.CAT) _Nick
30.CAT) _Dren: Temple submerged in Lake Titicaca
30.CAT) _TIAHUANACO BUILT AT SEA LEVEL OR AT 12,000 FEET?
30.CAT) _Nick: Altiplano strand lines
30.CAT) _Dren
30.CAT) _Nick: Darwin saw strand lines
30.CAT) _TIAHUANACO SEQUENCE OF EVENTS
30.D,COM) _Mo vs supercontinent vs Bible dating
30.D) _AGE OF CONTINENTS; SUBMERGED ANCIENT RUINS
30.D) _Mo: zircons not enough for dating
30.ST) _Nick: Juergens said Saturn was a brown dwarf
30.COM) _Brigit: How did IV explain mountains uplift?
31. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=450
31.COM) _Brigit
31.COM) _Nick: External forces formed Earth's plates catastrophically
31.CIV) *_LK: Megalithic Culture video
31.ST) _LK, LK, Nick: Juergens re Saturn as brown dwarf
31.S,CAT) _SEDIMENTARY ROCKS, BASINS, ICE AGE, LOESS, ESKERS
31.COM) _COMPARING CREATION.COM WITH CARDONA: FLOOD OR SATURN FLARE
31.S,I) *SEDIMENTARY BASINS FORMED BY IMPACTS
31.CAT) *PETROLEUM FORMED FROM MARINE ALGAE BURIED IN THE GREAT FLOOD
31.G,CAT) *ICE AGE & ARCTIC MUCK, LOESS ETC; REMAINING MYSTERIES: ESKERS & TIAHUANACO
31.G,CAT) *_I FINALLY UNDERSTAND ESKERS PROBABLY; NOW I'M QUOTING CARDONA IN FLARE STAR re Eskers
31.F,S) *SAHARA STRIATIONS WERE CAUSED BY FLOOD LANDSLIDES, NOT GLACIATION
31.D,CAT) _TIAHUANACO BLOGPAGE: BUILT BEFORE THE FLOOD? THE MYSTERY OF TIAHUANACO
31.CAT) _CHRONOLOGICALLY REORGANIZED HIGH PROBABILITY THREAD POSTS
31.E) _JP's comments on CMI's Response to the "Electric Universe"
31.B) _Brigit comments on her church's bible readings
31.X) _JP comments on CMI's cult-like belief
32. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=465
32.G,F) _MORE HIGH PROBABILITY CATACLYSM FINDINGS: I THINK ESKERS PROVE THE ICE SHEET COVERED MUCH OF CANADA ETC. SEE ESKERS MAP; ICE SHEET WAS THIN & SHORT-LIVED AFTER THE GREAT FLOOD; FLOOD LANDSLIDES, NOT GLACIAL FLOW; FLOOD ERRATICS
32.G,D) _ICE AGE BEGINNING & END
32.B) _Brigit comments on the Book of Job
32.E) _CATACLYSMIC ELECTRICAL EFFECTS, LIKE CRATERS & RILLES
32.X) _Brigit comments on the hubris of scientists
32.D,X) _CATASTROPHIC HISTORY FINDINGS FROM THIS THREAD: UNIVERSE, SOLAR SYSTEM & EARTH; REDSHIFT COMPTON EFFECT; CATHODE SUN; THE CONTINENTS ARE ABOUT 6,000 YEARS OLD; THE CONTINENTS ARE UNDER 8,000 YEARS OLD; YOUNG EARTH OR YOUNG SUPERCONTINENT: DATING HELIUM IN ZIRCONS; DATING ARGON IN GRANITE
32.CIV) _MORE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS
32.X) _SERIOUS GLOBAL PROBLEM: (COVID TYRANNY)
32.X) _Nick says not to discuss
32.M,COM) _GaryN says Enlil Sends Plague to Destroy Humans
32.C,G,CAT) _CREATIONIST CATASTROPHIST GEOLOGICAL FINDINGS (from my TB SCI Blog)
32.C,G,CAT) _MORE CREATIONIST ARTICLES OF 2020
32.S) _GRADUALIST SEDIMENTOLOGY NONSENSE (ANCIENT ARCHITECTS)
33. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=480
33.C,CAT,X)_CREATIONIST ARTICLES 2019 to Now; YOUNG UNIVERSE
33.D) _YOUNG EARTH & SOLAR SYSTEM
33.G,F) _TIAHUANACO (& AMAZON SEA); Flood Solves Mystery of Amazon Sea
33.D) _YOUNG OCEANS
33.D) _JUST 4 AGES (I previously thought 5)
33.CAT,ST) _ASTEROID BELT FORMATION: REMELTED CRUSTS; DIAGRAM SHOWING TRANSITION FROM SATURN SYSTEM TO JUPITER SYSTEM TO SOLAR SYSTEM
33.COM) _JP disagrees with Saturn Theory
33.ST) _PRIMARY SOURCES FOR THE SATURN THEORY
33.ST) _JP says Primary Sources don't support Saturn Theory
33.ST) _PRIMARY SOURCES BEFORE 2000 BC
33.ST) _JP repeats
33.ST) _SATURN THEORY PRIMARY SOURCES: SATURN THESIS online; FLARE STAR: THE SATURNIAN SUN; GOD STAR online; SUN AND SATURN online
33.X) _THREAD SUMMARY
33.ST,M) _ANCIENT EGYPTIAN RITUAL BASED ON SATURN SYSTEM EVENTS: The Opening of The Mouth Ritual
33.ST) _COMPARING KEN MOSS & CARDONA RE SATURN MODEL:
33.ST) KEN MOSS: OPENING OF THE MOUTH RITUAL; CARDONA'S LAST BOOK: NEWBORN STAR
34. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=495
34.ST) _STILL COMPARING KEN MOSS & DWARDU CARDONA RE THE SATURN THEORY
34.ST) _PIECING TOGETHER A COHERENT SATURN THEORY: Cardona, Moss, Talbott +
34.X) _Off Topic & Unimpressive: Lava Tornado
34.D,E) _ORIGIN OF EARTH'S RADIOACTIVITY (+ video); EARTH IS YOUNG (as per radioactive elements)
34.ST) _OPEN LETTER TO DAVE TALBOTT & OTHER SATURNISTS: Saturn Theory Down to Earth; YD Event Recent; Ancient Myths; Saturn Theory; Great Flood; Sedimentary Rock Record; Great Flood Cataclysms
34.X) _JP says Talbott had a stroke; no global evidence for Saturn Theory
34.X) _Paladin [& Nick] says Talbott's recovering
34.X) _I say JP is highly biased
34.F,ST) _MOON & MOHO DURING FLOOD; POLAR COLUMN DEBRIS ON EARTH (in the Arctic)
34.ST) _JP repeated challenges to prove Biblical El was Saturn and that Saturn was the former Sun
34.ST,M) _I replied to JP that he's asking me to do a major research project; REFERENCES RE ILIAD & ODYSSEY IN MEDITERRANEAN OR BALTIC: Swedes came from Troy in Turkey; Nordic Origins of the Iliad and Odyssey
34.X,ST) _NO BIAS; WHY EARLY PLANETARY SYSTEMS ARE LIKELY LINEAR; THE CRITICS' MAIN PROBLEM: POLAR CONFIGURATION?
35. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=510
35.X,M,ST) _(See previous post:) NO BIAS; WHY EARLY PLANETARY SYSTEMS ARE LIKELY LINEAR; ILIAD & ODYSSEY: ODYSSEUS, MAN OR GOD? MARS & VENUS SIZES IN CONFIGURATION
35.E) _Mo said the sizes of planets' magnetospheres (plasmaspheres?) are what to consider in the Configuration
35.ST) _Ev said Saturn and solar systems are not young; Saturn System was long gone in PT 2350 BC; Don't focus on exotic elements of Saturn Theory
35.M) _Ev said the Iliad is not historical (it's mythical)
35.ST,M) _WAS SATURN SYSTEM ON AN ELLIPTICAL ORBIT? Homer in the Baltic in Aeon 6:2
35.ST) _JP told Ev to heed Rens' criticisms of polar configuration
35.ST) _Ev hasn't considered the polar configuration's orbit to be elliptical or spiraling; He asked where Dave said it was at the orbit of Venus
35.ST) _Ev asked JP to post an ancient Chinese pictograph
35.ST) _Ev disputes Rens' idea of Sun atop column & said pics+ of Mars in front of Venus shows polar setting; He said the revolving crescent also disproves Rens' idea
35.D,ST) _WHERE DAVE SAID THE SATURN SYSTEM WAS POSSIBLY NEAR THE ORBIT OF VENUS: THE SATURN THESIS - An In-Depth Interview With David Talbott; SATURN SYSTEM BREAKUP 2200 BC?; LIVE DISCUSSION?
35.JM,COM) _Mo said Mars was between Earth and Venus briefly; their dusty magnetospheres were most prominent
35.X) _PRACTICE LIVE DISCUSSION pad.riseup.net/p/B9plRuQSBTyY971HESpe
35.ST) _THE CRITICS' MAIN PROBLEM: POLAR CONFIGURATION?
36. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=525
36.ST,D) _SATURN SYSTEM BREAKUP WHEN, IF NOT 2300 BC? E.g. Moe Mandelkehr
36.COM) _Mo said Saturn System is misinterpretation of glow-mode magnetospheres
36.COM) _Ev said K/T boundary is dated 66 million BP, not recent; see Eye of Horus paper
36.D) _WHEN DID THE SATURN SYSTEM BREAK UP? Dating of coal, dinosaur bones etc; Where's PT?
36.COM) _Ev said dinosaur fossils are found well below human remains; rock art from 30,000 BC shows no dinosaurs
36.D) _Ev said Eye of Horus disaster, linked to time of beginning, or creation, was well before the pyramids / PT1039-1040
36.D,COM) _WHEN DID THE SATURN SYSTEM BREAK UP? Part 2: NO HUMAN REMAINS WITH DINOSAUR REMANS? EVIDENCE FOR TWO MAJOR CATACLYSMS (3000 & 2300 BC); (zircons and argon); Cardona 2 cataclysms time-reversed; iridium spikes; PYRAMID TEXT QUOTE RE CREATION
36.COM) _Ev said my sources are bogus; cave drawings are 20 to 30,000 years old
36.D) _C14 DATING UNRELIABLE; TIME OF THE ATEN? (ref. Charles)
36.M) _Ev likes STUDY OF HORUS THE BEHDETITE from Charles
D)36. _TIME OF SATURN CONFIGURATION BREAKUP (ref. other thread)
36.D,M) _THREAD VIEWS; LOOKING FOR DATE THE SATURN SYSTEM BROKE UP; BRONZE AGE: HOMER NOT IN THE BALTIC
36.S) _WESTERN N. AMERICAN SEDIMENT ORIGINS IN EASTERN N. AMERICA (OR EAST OF AFRICA?); THINKING ABOUT SEDIMENT ORIGINS
36.F,S) _HEIGHT & VELOCITY OF SOME FLOOD WAVES; SOME MAINSTREAM INFO ON SEDIMENT ORIGINS; HOW DELICATE FOSSILS FORMED
36.D,S,E) _PANGAEA BROKE UP AFTER, NOT DURING(?), THE GREAT FLOOD: MEGAFAUNA STRATA; CHICXULUB CRATER; SHOCK HARDENED FLOOD SEDIMENTS;
1. SEDIMENTARY BASINS, 2. THE GRAND CANYON, 3. RADIOACTIVITY; SHOCK DYNAMICS EVENT = YOUNGER DRYAS EVENT[?]
37. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=540
37.COM) _previous post; SUMMARY OF THE NEWGEOLOGY EARTH HISTORY TIMELINE: CAUSE OF THE GREAT FLOOD; YOUNGER DRYAS EVENT ON HIS TIMELINE
37.COM) _COMPARING CREATIONIST FLOOD MODELS
37.COM) _CATASTROPHISM DISCUSSION WITH MIKE OF NEWGEOLOGY.US: TORRENTIAL RAINFALL LED TO GREAT FLOOD ON LOWLAND PANGAEA; FORMATION OF SEDIMENTARY ROCK; GRAND CANYON FORMATION; TIDAL WAVES; COMPARING 2 CREATIONIST FLOOD MODELS; MY COMMENT;
37.CAT) _NATURAL DAM BREACH CAUSED GRAND CANYON FORMATION; Remembering Spillover Erosion of Grand Canyon: Where Are the Lake Deposits?
Ancient Colorado River Delta; The Dam Breach or Spillover Location; Plateaus Tilted; The Lake Is Called Hopi Lake; Ice Age; MY COMMENT ON ICE AGE
37.S) _MAPS OF SEDIMENTARY ROCK STRATA MEGASEQUENCES: (CHRONOMETER?): Use of Sedimentary Megasequences to Re-create Pre-Flood Geography
37.E) _JP said to RLC circuit theory formed Grand Canyon?
37.COM) _FLOODING VS EDM
37.S,D) _LITHIFICATION CEMENTS, POST-FLOOD CATACLYSMS, YOUNGER DRYAS, NO MOON
37.D,S) _SEEKING THE TIME OF THE SATURN SYSTEM BREAKUP: TIME OF THE VENUS COMET; MAPS OF SEDIMENTARY ROCK STRATA MEGASEQUENCES
37.COM) _2 PLATE TECTONICS MODELS VS SHOCK DYNAMICS (ASTEROID IMPACT)
37.E) _JP: Global flood cannot result in specific fractal geometries of mountain ranges, nor can impacts; Examples
37.E) _JP: Provide any plate tectonics experiments that result in fractal Lichtenberg figures
37.CAT) _WATER EROSION IS FRACTAL TOO; Demonstration of how tectonic plates can fold at their boundaries
37.D) _WHY RETHINK CARDONA'S TIMELINE; OBJECTIVE, NON-CREATIONIST ARGUMENTS FOR REDUCING THE AGES OF THE GEOLOGIC COLUMN
37.D,ST) _TIME OF SATURN'S DEPARTURE; THE ONSLAUGHT OF ICE; EARTH'S SHIFTING AXIS; SATURN'S DEPARTURE
38. www.thunderbolts.info/forum3/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13&start=555
38.D) _SATURN SYSTEM BREAKUP 2400 BC?
38.D) _DATE OF SATURN'S DEPARTURE: CLUES FROM FISCHER'S MODEL VS. CATASTROPHISM.COM: RE FISHCER'S MODEL; RE CATASTROPHISM.COM (CARDONA, STRICKLING, TALBOTT)
38.COM,G,CIV) _SEARCHES RELATING TO MIKE FISCHER'S & EV COCHRANE'S MODELS; WARM ANCIENT ARCTIC; ANCIENT ADVANCED TECH
38.D) _PREVIOUS CATACLYSM DATES from previous thread, Evidence of Ancient Global Cataclysm
38.D) _CATACLYSM DATES & SOME ANALYSIS: An Analysis of the Dodwell Hypothesis; Surprise Witness: What Really Happened During the Flood; FOUR EVENTS (global cataclysms)